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(Hi! A community exists specifically for the Fandom Platform of the Future/Network of Our Own/whatever we're going to call it now: [community profile] fpotf . It's broadcast-only at this point but anybody can subscribe for updates.)

This is an attempt to identify and centralize sources of information/places of discussion related to the Fandom Platform of the Future/Network of Our Own. Stuff is Happening, and in a ton of different places. 

[edit:] Added a couple links and the Trello.

Discussion spaces
distributed_fandom Discord (federated social network discussion, tech and policy stuff thereof) (private-ish, lurkers welcome; message [tumblr.com profile] fandom-after  for link)
[community profile] post_tumblr_fandom (broad-based discussion about all this shizz)
[tumblr.com profile] fandom-after Compilation of Tumblr commentary about The Impending Purge

Keeping track
I have created a Trello board to give a high-level overview of things I am aware of. Let me know if you think I'm missing anything.

Static but useful info
Features list by software (read-only)
Policy/TOS considerations (comments on)
The Doc (read-only)

Next Steps
PD (aka FFA NO3 anon) is compiling a list of questions for an Actual Lawyer (comments welcome) to look at. Contents include:
  • liability re: image hosting
  • compliance with laws in countries where visual depictions of sexualized minors are illegal
  • service provider liability re: 2257 laws, possible interactions with GDPR
  • FOSTA/SESTA liability re: hosting sexually explicit images
  • interaction between DMCA safe harbor provisions and tip jars/paid commissions (based upon presumption of fanworks being not-for-profit)
  • organizational structure stuff and how it interacts with liability
They have not put out any sort of funding mechanism for the consulting fee but if/when they do I will link it here.

People on the Discord have been writing code for Hubzilla and putting together public demos of some of the federated social media software available. Nothing to look at yet, but soon!

Date: 2018-12-16 10:55 am (UTC)
duskpeterson: The lowercased letters D and P, joined together (Default)
From: [personal profile] duskpeterson
(Not sure whether I should be replying here or at fpotf, but . . .)

"interaction between DMCA safe harbor provisions and tip jars/paid commissions (based upon presumption of fanworks being not-for-profit)"

May I ask whether we're envisioning something that is entirely noncommercial, like AO3? I ask because there are writers in fandom (originalfic writers, historicalfic writers, etc.) who do both noncommercial and commercial work. It's one thing to not be able to reference commercial work at a noncommercial archive; it's something else entirely to not be able to mention it on a social media platform.

Date: 2018-12-17 10:12 am (UTC)
duskpeterson: The lowercased letters D and P, joined together (Default)
From: [personal profile] duskpeterson
Thanks for clarifying!

Date: 2018-12-17 03:54 pm (UTC)
mecurtin: Doctor Science (Default)
From: [personal profile] mecurtin
I still don't understand why it should be for-profit instead of non-profit. We don't want or need profits from this and they'll just cause trouble. Why not stick to one of the non-profit forms?

Date: 2018-12-17 11:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] allochthon
I just finished reading the "Fandom platform of the future - specs and features" google doc, and it reminded me of a few things. I couldn't find a place here on P-T-F that was appropriate to all of them, so I posted over on my own journal. But comments are probably better here?

Date: 2018-12-17 03:29 pm (UTC)
alyndra: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alyndra
Commenting here, then! (I came so close to just commenting there. You should disable comments there if you mean it.)

Check out [site community profile] dw_suggestions for another example of feature requesting/voting. It’s languished a little lately but there’s definitely some interesting stuff.

I saw an idea to let people just add emoji to posts instead of trying to figure out the three best words for ‘like’. It works pretty great in Discord.
Edited Date: 2018-12-17 03:30 pm (UTC)

Date: 2018-12-17 03:25 pm (UTC)
mecurtin: Doctor Science (Default)
From: [personal profile] mecurtin
I'm glad to see a list of lawyer-questions being put together so soon, the answers will shape a lot of the direction we go.

Could we ask for consultation from OTW's Legal Team? From the EFF? Those two orgs are going to have the deepest understanding of the issues and have an idea of where we're coming from, more than any single law office.

Date: 2018-12-17 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] powerful_dusk_88623
Hi, I'm the person coordinating the list of legal questions. I've mentioned this here previously, but I did reach out to the OTW Legal team and have not heard any response back. I was put in touch with the lawyer I'm reaching out to via an inquiry to the EFF. The EFF stated that they do not do direct legal advice unless they choose to represent a case with active litigation, and for all other cases they refer inquiries to attorneys in private practice (or in this case, an attorney who is an instructor at a university law clinic).

Date: 2018-12-17 04:35 pm (UTC)
mecurtin: Doctor Science (Default)
From: [personal profile] mecurtin
OK! I'm going to reach out to [personal profile] rivkat, who may also be able to help or direct us to someone who can. We probably need 2 opinions, especially given the international law aspects.

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